Quote Originally Posted by cariad<U_E> View Post
I can see little point in debating the merits of different religions if we have not reached an agreement on the existence of the supernatural. You are not going to side track me that easily.

cariad
It's not side tracking, it's proving my point. If we assume the supernatural exists, we have still no reason what so ever for being christian in particular.

If the supernatural exists what makes you think you have any idea what god wants? What makes you think god gives a rats ass about anybody. God might just as well have created the world to cater for the mice, and it only speaks to them? The devil might have created man to make life hard for them in laboratories. It's equally plausible. The nation of Islam might be right, ie the white man is the spawn of Satan. Or the Christian Donatists, who claim that the Bible is the work of Satan, Or the Greek pantheon, Or the Norse Sagas . That's my point. What if god just is a prankster and thinks it's fun stiring up trouble, like the god Loki? It's a more credible god then the christian one.

All religions are false, because they make claims they have no backing to make. Just proving the supernatural exists is very important if you're religious but it makes no case for any particular religion. What if this supernatural diety acts completely random? What if there is a god but no system of it's actions at all?

If you just settle for presenting some vague psychological evidence that their may exist something supernatural but fail to make a case for the nature of this supernatural force, then you are just weaseling out of it. Since we don't know what is "genuine" acts of god and which aren't it's impossible to work out from gods actions the nature of god. A statistician would have a field day with christian claims.

Here's a little thought. Propaganda that convey messages we share are rarely labeled as propaganda. We all like having our views confirmed. I just saw the film Pans Labyrinth. It was a nice little fairy tale. A beautiful and gruesome story. That film was blatant christian propaganda. It really hammered in the Bible and the story of christ. Some things where even confusing if you didn't understand christian concepts. Since it's for kids, I assume the point is that kids should ask their parents about them. Christian propaganda is absolutely everywhere.