Is God Perfect?

[Kevin100]

Aristotle could not account for infinity. I think this is a problem for him, and us today in explaining non cause and effect. In short: if you accept that time is infinite you do not need a first mover. Language does not accommodate infinity terribly easily. (If it took an infinite amount of time to get to here today, we would no be here today.) Children have no problem with "it has always been, and it will go on forever", some philosophers consider this to be immature thinking. I am not sure that it is. I think that the older we become the more thought is controlled by language. We cannot think that which we cannot express, or is simpler terms thought is language driven. I think children do not think in this way. They solve problems by imagination rather than by thought.
P.S. I do think the god of the Genesis story is a real sadist. Who in god's name would put juicy fruit in the middle of a playground and insist that it not be eaten. But then again, he did put a playground next to a sewerage works on the human body.

Kevin

[ThisYouWillDo]

Who in god's name would put juicy fruit in the middle of a playground and insist that it not be eaten.

Bringing us nicely back to my original question.

[Thorne]

P.S. I do think the god of the Genesis story is a real sadist.

The Old Testament God is a petulant child with infinite power. Very reminiscent of the character Anthony Fremont in Jerome Bixby's story, "It's a Good Life." (It was made into a Twilight Zone episode in the '60s, starring Billy Mumy.)

[TomOfSweden]

Aristotle could not account for infinity. I think this is a problem for him, and us today in explaining non cause and effect. In short: if you accept that time is infinite you do not need a first mover. Language does not accommodate infinity terribly easily. (If it took an infinite amount of time to get to here today, we would no be here today.) Children have no problem with "it has always been, and it will go on forever", some philosophers consider this to be immature thinking. I am not sure that it is. I think that the older we become the more thought is controlled by language. We cannot think that which we cannot express, or is simpler terms thought is language driven. I think children do not think in this way. They solve problems by imagination rather than by thought.
Kevin

But science hasn't discovered anything that's infinite yet. It's still just theory. As far as I can tell from the science literature I read, it's getting increasingly unlikely that we ever will.

Also I think you've mixed up your terminology when it comes to time. Time is a relative function of movement. If we accept the theory of the Big Bang, then "before" it there was no time. Impossible for us to comprehend, but not in any way infinite.

I'm not an ace at general relativity so please correct me if I got anything wrong here.

I've stopped picking on religious, (from the popular supernatural religions). They're wrong on so many levels. Why nit pick about details and degrees of wrongness? It's just cruel.