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    Quote Originally Posted by lucy View Post
    I don't know what nuclear power plants cost ... but I guess they don't come cheap and they'd have to save a lot of barrels of oil to make that deal a good one.
    I was told many years ago that the cost to generate a kilowatt hour of electricity from coal was about 20 times the cost using nuclear. Oil was even worse, about 50 times the cost of nuclear. I doubt that it would cost 20 times as much to build a nuclear plant as a coal or oil plant, so nuclear makes more economic sense. Especially if your primary source of money is from the export of oil.
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    You've been told wrong: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...DOE_report.gif. That's not yet including the money needed to eventually dismantle the nuclear power plant in fifty years. But then again, why think ahead, eh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lucy View Post
    You've been told wrong: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...DOE_report.gif. That's not yet including the money needed to eventually dismantle the nuclear power plant in fifty years. But then again, why think ahead, eh?
    Looks like you're right. Like I said, it was a long time ago. But nuclear still outperforms coal 113.9 -136.2, unless you allow CO2 to escape.

    But according to the article: "Capital costs (including waste disposal and decommissioning costs for nuclear energy)" so that's also factored in. I'm pretty sure the guy who told me those things back then was only talking about the actual production costs, based on fuel costs, and not including construction of decommissioning costs.
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    TEHRAN (Reuters) - Iran's military has shot down a U.S. reconnaissance drone aircraft in eastern Iran and has threatened to respond to the violation of Iranian airspace, a military source told state television Sunday.

    "Iran's military has downed an intruding RQ-170 American drone in eastern Iran," Iran's Arabic-language Al Alam state television network quoted the unnamed source as saying.
    "The spy drone, which has been downed with little damage, was seized by the Iranian armed forces."
    Iran shot down the drone at a time when it is trying to contain foreign reaction to the storming of the British embassy in Tehran Tuesday, shortly after London announced that it would impose sanctions on Iran's central bank in connection with Iran's controversial nuclear enrichment program.
    Britain evacuated its diplomatic staff from Iran and expelled Iranian diplomats in London in retaliation, and several other EU members recalled their ambassadors from Tehran.
    The attack dragged Iran's relations with Europe to a long-time low.
    "The Iranian military's response to the American spy drone's violation of our airspace will not be limited to Iran's borders," the military source said, without elaborating.
    The United States and Israel have not ruled out military action against Iran's nuclear facilities if diplomacy fails to resolve the nuclear dispute.
    Iran has dismissed reports of possible U.S. or Israeli plans to strike Iran, warning that it would respond to any such assault by attacking U.S. interests in the Gulf and Israel.
    Analysts say Tehran could retaliate by launching hit-and-run strikes in the Gulf and by closing the Strait of Hormuz. About 40 percent of all traded oil leaves the Gulf region through the strategic waterway.
    Iran said in July it had shot down an unmanned U.S. spy plane over the holy city of Qom, near its Fordu nuclear site.
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    Quote Originally Posted by js207 View Post
    Most do - that's exactly what they agree to including in international law by signing the non-proliferation treaty, that the five existing nuclear powers stay that way and everyone agrees to work to stop any more countries getting them (in exchange for access to uranium for fuel, information, equipment etc). A few countries aren't signatories (notably India, Israel and Pakistan) and North Korea withdrew from it in 2003; Iran, however, signed it and remains bound today.
    Thanks for updating me.


    It's not just the existing nuclear powers, it's almost everyone who agreed that nuclear proliferation is a bad thing.
    The whole thing would be more believable if said 5 powers renounced their own nuclear powers. As it is, it is just 'we are the good guys and should have it, noone else should.'

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    If Iran continues to play its crazy game It will deny that they signed the Non-proliferation treaty, siting that its a American/Zionist plot to deprive Iran of much needed power ect,ect, ect.

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    Iran could abandon the Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) if forced to limit nuclear activities, its hardline president says.
    Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said if the rights of the Iranian people were violated, Iran would "revise its policies".

    He made the comments in a speech marking the anniversary of the 1979 Islamic revolution.
    On 4 February, the IAEA decided to report Iran to the UN Security Council over its disputed nuclear programme.

    The NPT, which has 187 signatories, was created to prevent new nuclear states emerging, to promote co-operation in the peaceful use of nuclear energy and to work towards nuclear disarmament.

    Non-nuclear signatories agree not to seek to develop or acquire such weapons. In return, they are given an undertaking that they will be helped to develop nuclear energy for peaceful purposes.

    It is believed to be the first time Iran has threatened to pull out of the treaty.

    'Peaceful use'

    Addressing huge crowds in Tehran, Mr Ahmadinejad said that Iranian policy was based on the peaceful use of nuclear technology for "industry, medicine and economy".

    "Until now the Islamic Republic has pursued its nuclear effort within the context of the International Atomic Energy Agency and the Non-Proliferation Treaty," he said.

    "However, if we see that despite our respect for these regulations you want to violate the rights of the Iranian people, you should understand the Iranian nation will revise its policies," he warned.

    On 6 February, following the IAEA's decision to report Iran to the UN Security Council, Iran formally told the UN nuclear watchdog to end snap inspections of its nuclear sites by mid-February.

    It also ordered the IAEA to remove surveillance cameras and indicated it would end its freeze on full uranium enrichment.

    Iran denies US and European claims that it is trying to develop weapons, maintaining that its nuclear programme is only for energy production.

    Leaving the NPT is allowed under the treaty, and would allow a state free to develop nuclear power and weapons without inspection.

    North Korea announced its withdrawal from the NPT in January 2003, the first state to make such a move.

    Several states with nuclear weapons - Israel, India and Pakistan - have never joined the treaty.


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