Sexual Orientation and Military Service

[Thorne]

For a man to say, because I don’t like that judges, judgement, I will go and get my case passed through a judge that is like minded as me. That is obscene? I will kick out all judges that I don’t think have my values? I will put in judges that are all of the same value of morals as me?

This is the American way, though! After all, who better to decide which person would be best qualified to hold a position requiring intelligence and integrity than an elected official who has not demonstrated either of those qualities?

[lucy]

... must love making themselves look like idiots to the rest of the world.

Ian, it's awfully difficult if not outright impossible not to look like an idiot when you are an idiot.

[thir]

Should the Military place restrictions on it's service members for their sexual orientation?

What kind of restrictions do you mean?

[thir]

I started and answer and now I need to delete it, this is the only way I can.

[IAN 2411]

Same-sex marriage plan 'power grab'
Lord Carey said neither the state nor the church have the right to redefine marriage 'in such a fundamental way'

Former Archbishop of Canterbury Lord Carey is lending his weight to a campaign against plans to legalise same-sex marriages.

In an article for the Daily Mail, Lord Carey claimed the proposal to change the status of marriage "constitutes one of the greatest political power grabs in history".

In September, it was announced that the coalition Government would legislate for same-sex marriages by 2015. A public consultation on how to make civil marriage available to same-sex couples is to be launched next month.

Grassroots organisation Coalition for Marriage is launching a campaign against the moves, in a bid to halt attempts to redefine marriage.

The proposals were announced by Lib Dem Equalities Minister Lynne Featherstone last year, but senior Tories made clear they had the strong backing of David Cameron - despite the likely opposition of many Conservative traditionalists.

Lord Carey wrote that he was "baffled" by Mr Cameron's statement at last year's Conservative Party conference, in which the Prime Minister said: "I don't support gay marriage in spite of being a Conservative. I support gay marriage because I am a Conservative."

In his article, Lord Carey said: "Like many others, I was baffled by this statement. Not because I begrudge rights and benefits to homosexual couples."

He said he was baffled "because this Government's proposal constitutes one of the greatest political power grabs in history."

He went on: "The state does not 'own' the institution of marriage. Nor does the church. The honourable estate of matrimony precedes both the state and the church, and neither of these institutions have the right to redefine it in such a fundamental way."

Gay rights campaigner Peter Tatchell said: "The Coalition for Marriage is intolerant and out of touch. Its support for the ban on gay marriage is homophobic and discrimination. Coalition members are entitled to believe that same-sex marriages are wrong, but they are not entitled to demand that their opposition to such marriages should be imposed on the rest of society and enforced by law."
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I don’t know why this Priest was made a Lord because he is no Lord of mine. He should stick to his church to be seen and not heard... I will be glad when the House of Lords is reformed and he along with the other hangers on will be kicked out on his ass. If he wants to live in the 19th century than do it quietly, I don’t want to hear this old fashioned bigotry. If it was not for the fact he is a has-been priest and now a Lord he could never get away with talking shit.

Be well IAN 2411