Gorean Philosophies

[denuseri]

The only official site I know of is the one endorsed by John Norman himself.

http://gorchronicles.com/modules/wfchannel/

Alltough there are many others mentioned here in this thread and in other sites on the web.

[E.C. Holland]

den,

I owe you a philosophical quotation on another thread, but I'll post one here, since it is appropriate to this discussion. The quotation applies to virtue ethics generally, but is especially applicable to Gorean thought, which seems to assume that because many women prefer to submit, all women should submit.

"In every system of morality which I have hitherto met with, I have always remarked that the author proceeds for some time in the ordinary ways of reasoning and establishes the being of a God, or makes observations concerning human affairs; when all of a sudden I am surprised to find, that instead of the usual copulations of propositions, "is," and "is not," I meet with no proposition that is not connected with an "ought," or an "ought not." This change is imperceptible; but is however, of the last consequence. For as this "ought," or "ought not," that expresses some new relation or affirmation, it is necessary that it should be observed and explained; and at the same time that a reason should be given; for what seems altogether inconceivable, how this new relation can be a deduction from others, which are entirely different from it."

David Hume

[denuseri]

den,

... Gorean thought, which seems to assume that because many women prefer to submit, all women should submit.

In my humble opinion what Norman is realy saying is that the strong should take the responsibility to keep those in thier dominion in the best way possible so that the whole thrives as opposed to allowing the system to run itself blindly with no guildence into corruption.

It does sugest and rightly so as history can attest that Men are more predetermined to dominant in this regard and that all females may have a biologically predisposed orientation to then submit to those that prossess those traits of virility that are desireable in a mate. (Otherwise for the vast majority of known history patriarchial societies would not have flourished nor would the vast majority of women preffer strong intellgent men for mates as opposed to frail weak willed individuals they can easily dominate) Hence the bilogical essence of the philosophy sugested by Norman.

He also says that any woman in question will not submit to that which she can dominante herself. That in effect if she is refused the dominance her biological inner self may crave she will quickely replace it with her own and with verve. Thus explaining much of the animosity we see in marriges today.

The message is simple in the regard of explaining how a hierarchy of dominion exists not only on "Gor", but here on earth as well.

The difference here is that the men have in general allowed themselves to become far weaker willed with time and a large degree of role reversal as come to the fore.

It is really in many ways a plea for men to become men again as much as it is an explanation of why we as human beings are the way we are.

[E.C. Holland]

Hume's point (and mine, too) is that Norman and others in the tradition of virtue ethics assume that we ought to care about "corruption in the system," when in fact we're free to have just about whatever values we like.

Even if we assume that women are born with an innate tendency to submit, it doesn't follow that it is a moral obligation for them to submit. I might be born with a tendency to throw with my right hand, but if I learn to pitch left-handed, we don't think it's a moral issue.

[RickBulow74]

The only official site I know of is the one endorsed by John Norman himself.

http://gorchronicles.com/modules/wfchannel/

Alltough there are many others mentioned here in this thread and in other sites on the web.

That is a good one. One that I refer to often is http://www.geocities.com/delphius2002 which is Luther's Gorean Education Scrolls. The reason I recommend Luther is because he also goes into the backgrounds and cultures from which Norman derived Gor from. For instance, he derived heavily on Greek and Roman culture for the cities (obvviously) and even mentioned Sparta.

It just bears the question. Was the Greek philosopher Pythagoras teling the truth abotu a counter earth for real? Is there one out there?