Male discrimination?

[lucy]

I think there's a plethora of better examples of male discrimination out there.

Apart from child custody cases in divorces where men usually hold all the shitty cards, at least around here, I can't think of too many of them right now. But I'm tired and should be going home, so maybe it's just me.

In this patyicular case, it is the usual "We assume the worst about men."

No, it is a very unusual but highly welcome "We want to make our female guests feel welcome and secure."
Because, you know, many of those female guests actually might HAVE experienced the worst.

There's no rational reason (of course women are far from rational) for the average woman to be afraid of the average man: the average man is not prone to violence or sexual assault.

True. But: It doesn't take a majority of men to molest or rape a woman. One is quite enough.

(of course women are far from rational)

The only point where I agree with you: We who think with our cunts are about as irrational as you who think with your dicks. Or something like that. Or some other crap. Who cares.

Also, I call discrimination because I can't go walk the streets around the clubs in Zurich's West Side on a Friday or Saturday night on my own. Well, of course I could, but it wouldn't be a pleasant experience and I'm almost 100 % sure that I'd be at least verbally molested. I wouldn't even have to wear a short skirt.
I want to be able to go everywhere and at all times. The fact that I can't because I have no dick is (you guessed as much): Discrimination!!!!

[denuseri]

No, it is a very unusual but highly welcome "We want to make our female guests feel welcome and secure."
Because, you know, many of those female guests actually might HAVE experienced the worst.

One in every four women will experience violence directed against them solely due to the nature of their sex.

The only point where I agree with you: We who think with our cunts are about as irrational as you who think with your dicks.

Here Here! Applauds!

Also, I call discrimination because I can't go walk the streets around the clubs in Zurich's West Side on a Friday or Saturday night on my own. Well, of course I could, but it wouldn't be a pleasant experience and I'm almost 100 % sure that I'd be at least verbally molested. I wouldn't even have to wear a short skirt.
I want to be able to go everywhere and at all times. The fact that I can't because I have no dick is (you guessed as much): Discrimination!!!!

Its the same here in the States...which is why I have a license to carry...and do. Things like the stand your ground law can make a very big difference for women in surviving unscathed or not in a very real way if attacked outside the home.

Additionally:

An estimated 1.3 million women are victims of physical assault by an intimate partner each year.

85% of domestic violence victims are women.

Historically, females have been most often victimized by someone they knew.

Females who are 20-24 years of age are at the greatest risk of nonfatal intimate partner violence.

Most cases of domestic violence are never reported to the police.

Almost one-third of female homicide victims that are reported in police records are killed by an intimate partner.

In 70-80% of intimate partner homicides, no matter which partner was killed, the man physically abused the woman before the murder.

Less than one-fifth of victims reporting an injury from intimate partner violence sought medical treatment following the injury.

Intimate partner violence results in more than 18.5 million mental health care visits each year.

One in 6 women have experienced an full on attempted or completed rape.

Nearly 7.8 million women have been raped by an intimate partner at some point in their lives.

Sexual assault or forced sex occurs in approximately 40-45% of battering relationships.

1 in 12 women have been stalked in their lifetime.

81% of women stalked by a current or former intimate partner are also physically assaulted by that partner; 31% are also sexually assaulted by that partner.

Approximately 20% of the 1.5 million people who experience intimate partner violence annually obtain civil protection orders.

Approximately one-half of the orders obtained by women against intimate partners who physically assaulted them were violated.

More than two-thirds of the restraining orders against intimate partners who raped or stalked the victim were violated.

Department of Justice statistics revealed that women who resisted their attackers with the use of a firearm were twice as likely to survive a violent encounter unscathed as those who followed proactive "passive defensive means" (IE blowing a whistle, screaming for help, running away etc) and 4 times as likely to survive unscathed as those resisting through other means (IE martial arts, pepper spray, tasers etc).

[thir]

Department of Justice statistics revealed that women who resisted their attackers with the use of a firearm were twice as likely to survive a violent encounter unscathed as those who followed proactive "passive defensive means" (IE blowing a whistle, screaming for help, running away etc) and 4 times as likely to survive unscathed as those resisting through other means (IE martial arts, pepper spray, tasers etc).

There is an ongoing discussion about this, whether having a weapon means you just give your attacker one - that is the prevailing logic here, I think. But there is also the problem that if you kill someone with a weapon, and your attacker has none, you have to prove self-defense beyond any doubt, or you are the one going down.(Again, here.) An attitude I can both agree with and not.

In DK you cannot carry as much as a pepper spray - reason being a) your attacker would take it away and use it against you (same argument) or b) it might harm his eyes, and we cannot have that, can we? ( I kid you not, that is the argument!!)

Conditions in UK - every day a man dies from domestic violence. An overlooked fact.

To get back to the hotel: from what you write, the primary risk is in the home, so one could argue that there is no reason for a floor for women only in a hotel. Or, that it is not to be safe, but to feel safe, which is of course also important.

I agree there aught to be a men-only floor as well to avoid the demonizing effect, but there does not seem to be a need. Yet, anyway.

[Punish_her]

How's this for fucked up double standard,
On The Talk, a gaggle of female hosts joked and laughed about a man having his penis cut off by his bitter wife and thrown in the garbage disposal.
Rush Limbaugh loses advertisers for calling a girl a slut

[thir]

How's this for fucked up double standard,
On The Talk, a gaggle of female hosts joked and laughed about a man having his penis cut off by his bitter wife and thrown in the garbage disposal.
Rush Limbaugh loses advertisers for calling a girl a slut

I do nthink this is 'anybody's' double standard. There are different examples of bad behaviour.

[Punish_her]

I do nthink this is 'anybody's' double standard. There are different examples of bad behaviour.

Just think for a second 5 men sitting around on national television laughing about a man cutting off his wife's clitoris and breasts and throwing them in the garbage disposal. The only place that would ever happen is afghanistan.

[Thorne]

Just think for a second 5 men sitting around on national television laughing about a man cutting off his wife's clitoris and breasts and throwing them in the garbage disposal. The only place that would ever happen is afghanistan.

While I have to agree that those women laughing over that man getting his penis cut off is in very bad taste, and reflects badly on those women, the comparison you mention is not anywhere near the same thing.

Why did that woman cut off his penis? My guess would be that he beat her up and raped her one too many times, just because he could, and she'd had enough. I say, good for her. He deserved it.

Now let's look at your hypothetical case in Afghanistan: What would cause that to happen? Well, maybe it was a father who decided to disfigure his 14 year old daughter because she didn't want to be forced into marriage with the 70 year old Imam. Or maybe it was the abusive husband who was angry when his wife asked him to stop beating her. Or maybe it was the prison official who felt that she didn't scream loud enough when his men raped her. Yeah, I can see a bunch of Taliban assholes sitting around the fire laughing about it. Funny thing, though, I can see you there just as easily.

[thir]

Just think for a second 5 men sitting around on national television laughing about a man cutting off his wife's clitoris and breasts and throwing them in the garbage disposal. The only place that would ever happen is afghanistan.

The comments and attitudes of the women in question (earlier post) were callous and inexcusable. But not, I would like to think, representative.

[Punish_her]

bear with me here, i really haven't figured out how to use the quote feature

[QUOTE=denuseri;966034]Its the same here in the States...which is why I have a license to carry...and do. Things like the stand your ground law can make a very big difference for women in surviving unscathed or not in a very real way if attacked outside the home.

Additionally:

An estimated 1.3 million women are victims of physical assault by an intimate partner each year.

[QUOTE=denuseri;966034]85% of domestic violence victims are women.[QUOTE=denuseri;966034][

false, archer, 2000 showed that men and women strike each other at near equal rates

Historically, females have been most often victimized by someone they knew.

Females who are 20-24 years of age are at the greatest risk of nonfatal intimate partner violence.

[QUOTE=denuseri;966034][Most cases of domestic violence are never reported to the police.[QUOTE=denuseri;966034]

and reporting a fake one is a great way to get the upper hand in a divorce, just ask my uncle

Almost one-third of female homicide victims that are reported in police records are killed by an intimate partner.

[QUOTE=denuseri;966034]In 70-80% of intimate partner homicides, no matter which partner was killed, the man physically abused the woman before the murder.[QUOTE=denuseri;966034]

As Archer, 2000 has shown, men and women strike first at equal rates, women just don't leave a black eye

Less than one-fifth of victims reporting an injury from intimate partner violence sought medical treatment following the injury.

Intimate partner violence results in more than 18.5 million mental health care visits each year.

[QUOTE=denuseri;966034]
One in 6 women have experienced an full on attempted or completed rape..

The DOJ has admitted that with new DNA testing, the incidence of false rape acusations may be as high as 1 in 4

Nearly 7.8 million women have been raped by an intimate partner at some point in their lives.

Sexual assault or forced sex occurs in approximately 40-45% of battering relationships.

1 in 12 women have been stalked in their lifetime.

81% of women stalked by a current or former intimate partner are also physically assaulted by that partner; 31% are also sexually assaulted by that partner.

Approximately 20% of the 1.5 million people who experience intimate partner violence annually obtain civil protection orders.

Approximately one-half of the orders obtained by women against intimate partners who physically assaulted them were violated.

More than two-thirds of the restraining orders against intimate partners who raped or stalked the victim were violated.

Department of Justice statistics revealed that women who resisted their attackers with the use of a firearm were twice as likely to survive a violent encounter unscathed as those who followed proactive "passive defensive means" (IE blowing a whistle, screaming for help, running away etc) and 4 times as likely to survive unscathed as those resisting through other means (IE martial arts, pepper spray, tasers etc).

[Punish_her]

[QUOTE=lucy;965976]Apart from child custody cases in divorces where men usually hold all the shitty cards, at least around here, I can't think of too many of them right now. But I'm tired and should be going home, so maybe it's just me.


No, it is a very unusual but highly welcome "We want to make our female guests feel welcome and secure."
Because, you know, many of those female guests actually might HAVE experienced the worst.

Forced rape constitutes 6% of all violent crime. At the end of the day, when we're both walking down that dark street, I'm 3 times more likely than you to be the victim of a violent crime. Despite the fact that I'm clearly much more likeely to be attacked, no concessions are made to me.


True. But: It doesn't take a majority of men to molest or rape a woman. One is quite enough.


The only point where I agree with you: We who think with our cunts are about as irrational as you who think with your dicks. Or something like that. Or some other crap. Who cares.

Also, I call discrimination because I can't go walk the streets around the clubs in Zurich's West Side on a Friday or Saturday night on my own. Well, of course I could, but it wouldn't be a pleasant experience and I'm almost 100 % sure that I'd be at least verbally molested. I wouldn't even have to wear a short skirt.
I want to be able to go everywhere and at all times. The fact that I can't because I have no dick is (you guessed as much): Discrimination!!!!

Once again, having a dick would actually reduce your safety by about 300%. instead of looking up these facts and figures, which come from the DOJ, you immediately began throwing around a rape card. irrational