Male discrimination?

[Punish_her]

It's a bigger problem than that, really. Some of it has it's basis in childhood, where girls are steered towards the pretty pink toys and the dolls, while the boys are led to the trucks and sports. I recall a story (comment on a forum somewhere) about a guy who took his daughter into a toy store and she was upset because they didn't have any of the "cool" toys in the girls' section.

Even in schools, girls are encouraged to participate in traditionally girl classes, or into cheer leading instead of playing sports. That's changing, now, but some of the old stereotypes still prevail. So naturally, when a woman goes searching for work, she's going to gravitate towards more familiar areas. It may not be discrimination by the employers, but by society at large which is holding them back.

But the primary issue in the work force is the fact that, on average, women who do the same job as men, who have the same qualifications and skills, are still frequently paid at a lower rate. THAT is discrimination.

a few more points,
1) when you account for differences within the same field, ie a woman who takes no time off and has the commute roughly equal to a man and both work nearly identical hours, there is almost no variation in wage. think about it logically, if a business can hire a man for 10 $ an hour OR hire a woman for 7.50 $ an hour, nobody would ever hire a man. it does not make sense unless there'smore factors at work
2) I saw the video of the girl complaining about the toys, in my opinion, it's scripted. the father prompts her when she gets off topic.
3) Look up the Brenda/Brian case. I'll give a quick synopsis- a mother gave birth to twin boys. during circumcision, one of the boys had his penis essentially destroyed beyond all hopes of repair. the solution was to construct an artifical vagina, give the now her hormones, and raise her as a girl. in short, it was a train wreck, despite societal conditioning towards "girly" things, brenda (formerly brian) resisted tremendously- she (formerly he) insisted on peeing standing up, refused to wear dresses, and, in middle school, wanted to be a heavily tattooed, well muscled mechanic. society could not force this natural born boy to act like a girl

[Thorne]

1) it does not make sense unless there'smore factors at work

Except that I've actually seen it happen, a couple of times. Primarily, the persons who hired the men did so because he disliked having women in the work place, but when forced to (by law) he always paid them less.

3) Look up the Brenda/Brian case.

For clarity, it was Brenda/Bruce (Brian was the undamaged twin).

Yes, forcing a genetically male person to live as a girl would be a problem. But the question is not about what a girl is, but her preferences. If raised as a girl, given girls toys to play with, encouraged to like girly colors and things, would Brenda/Bruce reject those things in favor of more boyish toys? There's still a lot of work being done in this area, but some studies show that HOW a child is raised has a marked influence on her choices later in life.

As for standing while peeing, this is a societal preference, not a genetic predisposition. Brenda did not have a standard urethra, but urinated through a hole in her abdomen, probably through a tube. It would likely have been much easier standing!

[thir]

a few more points,
1) when you account for differences within the same field, ie a woman who takes no time off and has the commute roughly equal to a man and both work nearly identical hours, there is almost no variation in wage. think about it logically, if a business can hire a man for 10 $ an hour OR hire a woman for 7.50 $ an hour, nobody would ever hire a man. it does not make sense unless there'smore factors at work

there are other factors at work. In DK in 2010 the difference in pay was 17.7%, which seemed about the average for Europe, and the equal work-equal pay campaign went on.

US:
• " ‘The wage gap hasn't moved significantly in nearly a decade’

For ever dollar a man makes in California, a woman holding the same job is paid 84 cents, according to a new report from the American Association of University Women.

California ties with Vermont for the 84 percent earnings ratio, the report says. In Washington, D.C., where equal pay laws and regulations have been formulated, the gap is the least – 91 cents for every dollar a man makes in the same job, the report says.

The state with the worst earnings ratio is Wyoming, where women make 64 percent of men's earnings.

The national average puts women at just 77 percent."
http://www.centralvalleybusinesstime.../001/?ID=20814

2) I saw the video of the girl complaining about the toys, in my opinion, it's scripted. the father prompts her when she gets off topic.

How convincing, one example. What is that supposed to show?

3) Look up the Brenda/Brian case. I'll give a quick synopsis- a mother gave birth to twin boys. during circumcision, one of the boys had his penis essentially destroyed beyond all hopes of repair. the solution was to construct an artifical vagina, give the now her hormones, and raise her as a girl. in short, it was a train wreck, despite societal conditioning towards "girly" things, brenda (formerly brian) resisted tremendously- she (formerly he) insisted on peeing standing up, refused to wear dresses, and, in middle school, wanted to be a heavily tattooed, well muscled mechanic. society could not force this natural born boy to act like a girl

What is your point?

[Punish_her]

and i didnt mean that there'smore spending on women because they are already in college: there are more subsidies and grants available for women than men

[lucy]

and i didnt mean that there'smore spending on women because they are already in college: there are more subsidies and grants available for women than men

Do you know why? And who pays those subsidies and grants? I know that there's no gender difference here when it comes to subsidies and grants, but Switzerland's educational system is (luckily) very different from the one in the US.